Present: Kate, Corey, Jessica, Ivy, Chinhae, Angelia (facilitator), Bernard, Frog, Donald, Joy, Jeb (minutes), Lorenzo, Serenity, Robbie, Reyna, Richard, Nynke, Jenn, Yarrow, Colby

No one present for meet and greet.

• (Ivy) Announcement: Sometime this week, nominations will be posted on the door for NP Rep. Once it is posted, Ivy will send an email detailing the NP Rep role.

(standing) Officer Reports

• (Ivy) - CHEA Board Rep - NP board rep nominations will go up this week.
• (Bernard) - Steward - Will replace bug zapper. Commons look clean. Thank you to whoever washed dishes in the commons. Other than that, please continue to maintain putting everything in containers, because we are not through the rat epidemic yet.
• (Kate) - Treasurer - Paid out Kayla's deposit. We are currently spending a lot of the maintenance reimbursements we get from NASCO, so we'll probably need to move some money around to continue paying what we need to. Please pay your rent on time!
• (Beryl) - Maintenance - The soffit is being completed; still need to do the fascia and repainting. Should be done with the soffit quite soon. Seeking new plumbers, new appliance guys so we can get stuff up and running again. Losing steam in the maintenance department. Still need to decontaminate unit 104, because it has become a rat paradise. Need to buy new traps. It will be a whole process. Please keep sending emails about holes or new rat activity.
  • (Diana) - Marina reached out to several of her groups and sent a name for appliance repair.
• (Corey) - Nov. 14th, electrical will be on the west side of the building, so all those units will have electrical outage. Don't open refrigerators/freezers in the commons during the outage.
• (Angelia) - Steward - Ivy's helping a lot.
• (Colby) - Events - Thanks for coming out on Halloween! Everyone had a great time. For Turkey Day, Bernard is planning to cook, and Colby will too. Secret Santa is also coming up. The limit is $40 - spend what you can. Participation in secret santa is optional. Sag/Scorpio bday party is coming up - maybe sleepover vibes? Something low-key and indoors if possible.
• (Richard) - Labor - Testing an old practice for automatic no-show if there's no sign-off. Would like to get dinner labor repopulated if we can find people to do it.
• (Reyna) - Membership Coorindator - There will be new members soon, once we get Dwaine's unit sorted and Bernard moved upstairs. We need to figure out what to do with Graham's spot - if he doesn't pay rent for November, it will be an abandonment case. More to report at next meeting.
  • (Corey) - Still a lot of stuff in Paul's unit, including a lot of furniture, so if you would like to look, reach out to Corey to schedule a time.

(Beryl) Member Review for Chinhae “The Gash” Yeongno

• Destruction Of Co-op Property
  • (Beryl) - Chinhae attempted to install a dishwasher that leaked through the subfloor into units 108 and 109, including leaking into a light fixture in 108.
  • (Chinhae) - Dishwasher helps to keep things clean more easily due to disability. Wants to rectify the situation and help fix the issue.
• Gross Negligence
  • (Beryl) - Previously, Chinhae installed a dishwasher in unit 102 that leaked.
• Unauthorized Access to maintenance supplies
  • (Beryl) - The shop vac has been used multiple times without Beryl's knowledge. At least one time, the shop vac has been in a different place when she went into the maintenance closet than the last time she saw it.
  • (Chinhae) - Only one instance of using the shop vac, and Chinhae does not have a key to the maintenance closet.

Conversation:

• (Bernard) - Why didn't you ask for help?
• (Chinhae) - Very busy with work, have memory issues, don't have a lot of time at home.
• (Kate) - The first time it happened, we directed you to turn the water shutoff valve to “off”, but it continued to leak for a week, at which point you put a bucket to catch the leak.
• (Beryl) - When maintenance went to check, after Diana reported the issue, towels were on the floor already.
• (Chinhae) - Thought the issue was the drain, which is why towels were down already.
• (Beryl) - Why didn't you contact maintenance when you discovered the leak?
• (Chinhae) - I was starting a new job, and had issues with memory.
• (Ivy) - You live with another person whom you could have asked to contact maintenance on your behalf. If there's a consistent, ongoing maintenance issue in your apartment, part of the contract you signed as a member means you owe it to contact maintenance if you notice any issue. We are already dealing with expensive, ongoing maintenance problems, and this is the type of thing that we might have to pay a lot of money to outsource labor to fix the issue.
• (Joy) - The first time this happened, was there damage that needed to be repaired?
• (Corey) - No; it was on the first floor.
• (Ivy) - When we noticed it was leaking, we made a point to stop using it until it could be fixed.
• (Joy) - Was anyone alerted when the 102 dishwasher was installed?
• (Chinhae) - I asked for help from Kate and Corey in getting it installed.
• (Joy) - Do we have an estimate for the cost of the current issue?
• (Kate) - Roberto came by after the initial leak, when it was first turned off, and it didn't seem like it would be a big expense, but then the leak continued and saturated the subfloor. We don't yet have an estimate currently. Our unit smells mildew-y along the adjoining wall.
• (Angelia) - the 109 bathroom and kitchen also smell mildew-y.
• (Diana) - My apartment was affected. Thank you for expressing you're sorry. I don't guess you had any way of knowing. Water came down the whole kitchen wall, seeped out from under the wall and onto the floor, and coming up through the floor tiles. The kitchen was unusable for a while. When I noticed there was water in the light fixture there, we had to turn the power off. When Corey took the light fixture out, globs of wet sheetrock fell out. This was when we were trying to figure out where the water was coming from. I saw you with towels and you mentioned you had a dishwasher that was leaking, and asked Corey if that could be part of the problem. That's how we became aware. My kitchen is still not completely fixed. When you get a lot of water in your house, you have to worry about mold. The whole kitchen floor will need to be grouted.
• (Lorenzo) - I imagine Chinhae already knows about mold and water.
• (Angelia) - Regardless of anything else, maintenance needed to know about the dishwasher and the leak, and now there's property damage, and I'm pretty sure there's something about that in the contract. I think that's a really big issue.
• (Bernard) - I understand the memory loss, but I have an issue with the fact that the first time it happened, you asked Corey, but this time, you informed no one, but you ordered [the dishwasher] and knew it was coming on a certain day. My issue is that lives have been affected because the issue was not dealt with.
• (Corey) - There's lots of different kinds of leaks. Some can skate by without being discovered for a while. All I did was walk into the kitchen and I could smell the wet smell, and I saw a stream, not a drip, coming out in the kitchen. It was clearly not okay, and it went on for a week. I strongly believe you should not do plumbing work here.

Deliberation:

• (Frog) - I don't know if I trust that Chinhae and Phoenix would adhere to a behavior contract. An example would be: Don't do maintenance/plumbing work in your apt, tell maintenance if there's an issue, don't use maintenance supplies without maintenance team's knowledge.
• (Richard) - Question for Frog: How likely is it that they would get another large appliance?
• (Frog) - The behavior contract would apply to other maintenance/plumbing issues.
• (Ivy) - Given what I know, they will adhere to a behavior contract to the letter until it expires, but once it expires, they will find a way in spirit to act outside of the contract. They will carefully toe the line of what is not a violation of that behavior contract. I don't think someone who has that approach, and has had that approach in other aspects, has a place at this co-op.
• (Reyna) - If we do have a contract, there would have to be a financial element; there has to be a limit to the amount of damage you can do to the co-op property.
• (Corey) - Other issues that have not already been discussed, but this is the worst and most damaging one.
• (Bernard) - They are already using disability and memory loss - I don't want to go through a drawn-out process that skates that line. This didn't just damage their apartment, but others as well. I don't see them being able to financially replace anything personally. What's to say they won't use other techniques to get around a contract.
• (Corey) - We've had people before who like to take upon themselves certain tasks. Our building is very old and has unique caveats. It's plumbing this time, but if for example next time it's electrical, or something else, there's a reason people who don't know what they're doing should not do those things. We can try to be broad with it, but then it's not specific.
• (Richard) - If there's a financial aspect to the behavior contract, and they can't meet it, does that then entail termination of membership?
• (Corey) - If it's enumerated, then it would probably look like a payment plan. We don't know the financial scope yet, or what a reasonable timeline is for repayment.
• (Diana) - I didn't know this was the second instance of this happening. I feel like if we vote for eviction, the odds of getting any money for reimbursement are slim.
• (Joy) - I would say slim either way.
• (Bernard) - We don't know the extent of the damage yet.
• (Kate & Corey) - Probably under $10,000.
• (Bernard) - I don't see them paying it.
• (Frog) - That's damages we have to pay either way, and yes we might get it back very slowly if we put them on a behavior contract, but we have to determine how much is fair to tack onto their rent. Double rent would be kind of crazy, but with thousands of dollars of damage, we'd have to wait for like 2.5 years to get it all back.
• (Echo) - Are they up on rent or on a payment plan? What are the logistics of defining repayment - would it be contingent on the extent of the damages?
• (Kate) - Don't believe they were on a payment plan.
• (Joy) - Tiff isn't here.
• (Nynke) - Doing a behavior contract would give them the opportunity to cause more damages, and we've determined that this is a pattern of behavior.
• (Ivy) - I don't feel confident that upon the behavior contract ending, they would then inform maintenance about any further issues they try to fix. Having lived with them before, I don't want them to live here anymore. To me, they have not earned another chance to pay us back.
• (Frog) - That's sort of at the core of my responses, because one of the reasons I believe they will not adhere to a behavior contract or not revert once it's over, is because I don't think Gash has shown any awareness of “damn, I really screwed it”.
• (Diana) - Do we have insurance coverage for things like that?
• (Corey) - We have liability insurance.
• (Kate) - NASCO is our insurance, and we get a lot of our maintenance funds from NASCO, but basically - not really. It will come out of our maintenance budget.
• (Diana) - I have rental insurance, but it only covers my possessions.
• (Bernard) - Bouncing off what Corey said, in my mind, if we do this, what other damage can come from this if they continue to do stuff they shouldn't be doing, because they think they can do it. We don't want to wake up to the place in flames. Hazard is one of my concerns because of this neglect. Not asking permission, not getting help. I don't want to see anyone getting hurt because of something like that.
• (Corey) - Regardless, I genuinely feel like we need to inspect that unit to see if anything else has been done in it. The leak was very obvious and clear, and I don't trust the judgment of someone who fucks up that badly to check their work, and I don't know what they've done. I think we need to look into that, and we've lost the benefit of the doubt.

Straw Poll:

• Options are:
  • no action
  • behavior contract
  • termination of membership

Results: termination of membership wins the straw poll.

Voting on terminating membership:

15 Yes, 2 No, 2 Abstain

The vote to terminate membership passes.

Timeline:

• (Kate) - 30 days is what we do normally; does anyone have opinions?
• (Bernard) - No opinions.
• (No other discussion)

Chinhae was notified that membership would be terminated in 30 days.

• (Bernard) - Move to ban Brad from the property on grounds of touching people without consent and sexual harassment.
  • (Reyna) - Second the motion.
  • Item will be posted on next week's agenda.
• (Yarrow) - White bike near Paul's crash site will be installed probably next Sunday. Will update when the date/time is set.
• (Richard) - A year ago, after a job shuffle, I ended up with a large sum of money. I don't really know what to do with it, and I'm not a stock person, so I want to donate it to the co-op. Want the house to decide what to do with it. It's about $30,000. Some ideas: steer it toward something we don't normally get funds for.
  • (Frog) - Idea is for people to bring project ideas, vote to accept or reject the money, etc.