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 +====== June 19, 2012 ======
  
 +Here are the notes from Tuesday'​s meeting. Thank you Mike Gorse for
 +contributing your notes, and lots of thanks to everyone who participated!
 +
 +I've done some editing of the original notes taken, mainly by summarizing
 +them. In the Community Outreach section I gave a summary paragraph of the
 +info we discussed followed what people said. Some of what I wrote in this
 +paragraph is underlined. These portions of it are parts of what we've
 +discussed as being our core goals, or principles.
 +I didn't think to record the names of the people who spoke as I was taking
 +notes, so many of the discussion points I've denoted with question marks at
 +the beginning. Mike included your names in his notes and so some of the
 +discussion points have them.
 +The action items also don't have names assigned to them except for the ones
 +I volunteered for. I apologize for any confusion. Please look over the
 +action items and choose which ones you'd like to take on. *
 +*I put a couple of things in parenthesis. These are questions I had after
 +reading the notes, for things that I feel need some further clarification.*
 +*Everyone please feel free to add any thoughts you may have.*
 +
 +
 +===== Viability and next steps concerning the Tillery Property =====
 +
 +==== Property Details ====
 +
 +* Good location (Airport and Manor), parks, HEB, rapidly developing
 +neighborhood
 +* Huge back yard. Room to build another building. Almost an acre of land.
 +* An old house built in the 30's, divided into two units (maybe 3/4 bedrooms
 +each, with a lot of extra living rooms)
 +* Another building with a series of two 2-bedroom apartments flanked by a
 +1-bedroom apartment
 +* Chicken coop
 +* Lots of parking
 +
 +*Clifford*: Code requires a certain egris(sp?) size since, if the window is
 +too small, you can't get out in a fire
 +
 +*Jay*: Should check with the development assistance center. If there'​s a
 +floor plan, you might be able to find it there.
 +
 +*Clifford*: When you get serious about a property, talk to the development
 +assistance center. They will write you up a land use opinion regarding your
 +proposed use.
 +
 +
 +*# Action Items
 +
 +*-McAllen*: Get the property'​s info package from Matt, see if it includes
 +the floor plan
 +
 +-Get the following info from the floor plan
 +* Find out the window size specification in the one-window-per-bedroom
 +rule
 +* Ventilation
 +* Room access
 +
 +-Contact the Dept of Neighborhood Planning to see how zoning would work in
 +JJ Seabrook nieghborhood
 +
 +    Get the exact definitions of MF-2 & MF-4 (does Daniel Miller know them?)
 +
 +*-McAllen*: Survey the property values in the area, ask Matt for this info
 +
 +*-McAllen*: Ask Matt about other prospective buyers looking at the property
 +
 +-Contact N Assoc. (do we need to do this now or later down the road?)
 +
 +-Discuss the feasability of pooling our own funds for a property
 +downpayment and lending those funds to NP. This would expidite our ability
 +to buy a place.
 +
 +
 +===== Community Outreach =====
 +
 +One of our goals for the new coop is to* welcome people of diverse
 +backgrounds.* The student and independent coops in Austin collectively have
 +already gone far in* welcoming people of different age groups and sexual
 +orientations*. We hope to broaden this range of coopers even further
 +by*reaching out to people of differing economic, racial and political
 +backgrounds.* Another goal is to *provide affordable housing,* we will want
 +to keep this in mind as we shop for properties, especially since we want to
 +invite people from lower-income brackets.
 +
 +*Gatlyn*: Some people get turned off by the hippie vibe. If we explain that
 +it's for everybody, hippie-haters might not turn it down.
 +
 +*McAllen*: I'd like to get to know people in commnity/​civic/​religious
 +organizations who have our same core values. They would make great coopers,
 +we should start to get to know them and see if they'd be interested. An
 +example of one such organization is a nation-wide service organization
 +affiliated with Americorps called City Year. I worked with them in
 +Philadelphia providing tutoring and after school programs to at-risk youth
 +in low-income neighborhoods. The 160 members were made up of a highkly
 +diverse group of people from around the country ranging from rural and
 +urban working class people to college-educated people from a range of
 +economic backgrounds. It also included several people who grew up in the
 +very communities that we served.
 +
 +*Jay*: What is the diversity of the Tillery St neighborhood?​
 +
 +*??*: The demographic is changing.
 +
 +*??*: That raises the stakes. We're either going to be actively
 +participating in gentrification,​ or we'll be providing an alternative that
 +embraces a changing city with a certain amount of fairness. If we get a
 +property in east Austin or any other area with a significant changing
 +population, maybe we can reserve a certain number of places for people from
 +the neighborhood.
 +
 +*??*: I was thinking of actively seeking out people who have been there for
 +a long time to be part of our coop.
 +
 +*??: *Almost all the coops in Austin are in high-income areas. Even if the
 +students in WC aren'​t,​ their parents are. The average room rate in Sasona
 +is about the same as in College Houses. That is low for Barton Hills and
 +West Campus but incredibly high for rest of Austin/​Texas. Will make
 +diversity easier if this coop is truly affordable. Hit that 450 mark and
 +you'll get a lot of diversity. Directly because, honestly, we're the ones
 +who can afford to live in coops right now. If we can make it easier, it
 +democratizes it. We're here because we can afford it.
 +
 +*??*: Income-qualified people. With student coops, your income is your
 +parents'​ income. Could reserve a certain amount of rooms for people at a
 +certain level of income.
 +
 +??*: I think that income qualification is a good stick to measure by, but
 +would be hesitant to put in other kinds of quotas. Could end up with an
 +artificial diversity. The coop should be harmonious. We'd have a lot of
 +artificial things in place, and wouldn'​t be real. Would not want it to be a
 +precedent for setting other quotas.
 +
 +*Jessie*: Coops are a seed, like NASCO is seeding us, the same way that ICC
 +got started. To increase affordable housing, 4 rooms, 2 rooms in one house
 +isn't the way you do it. By creating these coops, making this a default
 +option for people seeking a place to live, rather than just an apartment or
 +a house. We'll have to do a lot more than setting aside a couple of rooms.
 +We need to put in something in the charter saying that it's something CHEA
 +wants to contribute.
 +
 +*Mollie*: Maybe we could go back to the original history of coop housing.
 +Was providing housing and also services. Could actively recruit members
 +from neighborhood orgs but also actively recruit people to be from the
 +neighborhood,​ recruit "​associates"​ from the neighborhood and strongly
 +invest in a community-style garden. Could address certain essential
 +problems in poor neighborhoods while avoiding the quandary you brought up.
 +
 +*Clifford*: When we start mentioning associate memberships,​ that's when
 +zoning kicks back in.
 +
 +*??*: We will definitely need MF-4 zoning if we want to have associate
 +members. An alternative option is to set up something similar to "​internet
 +cafes" in which a service that's unrelated to the official organization or
 +business is provided unofficially.
 +**This is my interpretation of what I heard about this idea btw. Whoever
 +brought it up, please feel free to clarify or edit it as necessary.*
 +
 +*Donnie*: Back on the affordability track, sort of a problem that's solved
 +for us if we're a CHEA house, is CHEA is a 501c3 largely because it'
 +written in its charter. There is income-testing for CHEA. If we raise the
 +rents too much, it's not even raising the rents, if we have too many rich
 +people, we'd be at risk of losing tax-exempt status.
 +
 +*Mike*: May want to have income criteria more aggressive than what the
 +charter calls for.
 +
 +*??*: Austin Free Skool would love a place to take classes.
 +
 +*McAllen*: Having associate members, a community garden, and allowing the
 +Austin Free Skool to come and do activities are all examples of another one
 +of our core goals which is to* **have our coop be a venue for activities
 +that are fun, educational,​ and support community development.*
 +
 +===== Action Items =====
 +
 +* Explore CHEA's income qualification requirements.
 +* Recruit associates from the neighborhood to move in when we're set up.
 +* Provide services, community gardens etc.
 +* *McAllen*: Compile a list of community/​civic/​religious orgs in Austin that
 +we'd be interested in visiting to find people interested in being members,
 +associates, or participating in our future projects.
 +(Is anyone else interested in doing a little research and finding these
 +organizations in Austin that sound like good candidates?​)
 +
 +===== Research Proposal =====
 +
 +*Hannah*: I'd like to make a quick survey to send out to folks involved in
 +the project, current co-op members, and possibly folks on the Sasona
 +waiting list to see what qualities/​assets/​facilities/​attitudes they'd want
 +in their ideal community. ​ It would be cool to have some help brainstorming
 +useful questions to ask.
 +
 +(Did we come up with any questions at the meeting, or did we decide to
 +think of the questions afterward and send them to you?)
 +
 +===== Other =====
 +
 +(Does anyone object to removing Matt Robb from the discussion list? We
 +discussed this but I don't remember what we decided exactly. Daniel Miller
 +brought up the point that real estate agents aren't normally privy to the
 +kinds of information that we're discussing amongst ourselves as a coop
 +planning group. This isn't a reflection the character or intentions ​ of he
 +and his business partners whatsoever, but is merely an issue of the most
 +appropriate protocol for our discussion. If we agree to remove him I'd like
 +to just delete his name from the group and then go back to forwarding the
 +property listings he sends me - I feel that this would be the easiest thing
 +to do, unless anyone feels differently.)
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